Job Search Depression, Job Search and Your Marriage, Job Search and Religion And Simple Discouragement in a Long-Term Job Search

Job Search Depression, Job Search and Your Marriage, Job Search and Religion… And Simple Discouragement in a Long-Term Job Search I had something completely different to write about, but Ill save that for Monday.  I just got a comment on a 2006 blog post titled I Smell Blood.  This is one of my all-time favorite blog posts (and is a Favorite Friday post).  I want to respond to the comment in this blog post, and will break it down so I can insert my own thoughts and links. Please leave your own comment if you have something to add, and please share this with your LinkedIn and Facebook networks.  There is a lot of pain and discouragement out there, and we need to be more helpful, patient, loving, and building. Im taking the liberty to offer my unsolicited response to Joeys comment because (1) the comment is now online for all to see, so its public, and (2) he said at the end that he appreciates any wisdom (not that Im wise, but Ill try), and (3) I think putting it in this post will help many, many other people.  Joeys comments are in the boxes, mine are after each box: Woke up ANGRY this morning about my situation I hear you Joey.  I didnt consider myself a very emotional person but I was angry, discouraged, sad, and all kinds of other feelings during my job search.  The lows were really low, the highs were really high, and it was a roller-coaster that didnt have much in-between.  Dont define yourself by the emotions you feel during the job search.  Its natural to feel these emotions, but if you allow them to define you, you will derail everything. and completed a google search containing job search AND depression and a related article came up, this really hit home. My first post on job search depression was titled Depression Clouds Everything.  This was a huge realization for me.  It needs to be discussed more. I thought I was alone in my loser-feelings during my job search, but going to job clubs and networking with other job seekers really helped me rise above the clouds and see I wasnt alone.  It also gave me a network of people I could talk to who I finally felt understood the issues and challenges I was dealing with (instead of the superficial articles on AOL and MSN).  Here are other posts I have written that mention depression So many times I have “helped” and continue to help others, volunteer, and try to give back and play it forward…however after 8+months no luck! Ah, the whole givers gain idea.  I networked (very poorly), and hoped and expected goodness to come out of it.  I got nothing except discouragement.  I encourage you to continue to help and give and volunteer, but completely do away with the what am I going to get from this hope.  When I voluntarily gave up hope that giving would help me get a job, I realized it was giving me something else.   Giving (volunteering, etc.) gave me stuff I wasnt looking for and didnt recognize while I was still hoping that all of that would lead me to a job.  I finally realized that by giving and helping I was getting peace in my heart. I was getting personal satisfaction by helping someone else out of a hellhole.  I thought of the families that were affected by helping people.  Sharing hope and helpful tactics made me feel important and appreciated, even if people didnt say thank you.  It was the one thing I could do to have purpose again, and it was refreshing to my soul. I started going back to church several months ago which has helped Thats good find it where you can.  Not having a day job is a great time to reflect on life and purpose and direction.  Take advantage of this time and immerse yourself in service at church, as this might help you expand your network. More importantly, if you find hope and faith and have a change of attitude (as per the I Smell Blood post that you commented on), people might think Joey is ready for an introduction to my friend.  As long as we are hurt, though, people are not going to be ready to open their network to us. and continued working out Again, take advantage of this time to take care of yourself, physically.  Too often when we have a day job we neglect our bodies.  Learn about your body and the food and exercise that helps you be sharper and ready for the day.  I get plenty of messages from people who land their dream job and find they dont have any time to workout.  More than that, I personally think working out is a huge boost to you because of what happens chemically when you work out.  For me it has been a survival tactic to just get through certain days. as jobs for someone with my experience is slim in and near my sleepy little town. Perhaps you need to something completely different.  If you want to stay in your field, can you find work remotely (and still live in your town)?  Or, is it time to leave the sleepy little town?  Word of caution, this is a HUGE decision, and the grass is certainly not greener anywhere else.  Even in bigger cities people are having a hard time finding meaningful employment.  Maybe its time to leave your field and do something else?  This is where a good employment counselor (not a coach) would come in handy.  This person should be able to help you figure out what you want to be when you grow up.   My book, 51 Alternatives to a Real Job, created so much interest because people are sick and tired of the new job, which is less fulfilling, less stable, less rewarding, and highly volatile.  Just maybe you are ready to look at a different way to pay your bills which might mean you take a major leap of faith and offer products or services, from your own business, and take 100% respo nsibility for success and failures.  Its scary, and there are a 100 reasons to not do it, but the alternative doesnt look so hot either. My marriage is also taking a toll even though I try to do as much as possible to handle all household duties. This is a very tough time for a marriage. I wrote this raw post: The Spouse’s Role In Your Job Search. You can print this out for your spouse with the idea that you need to have an open and frank discussion.  Maybe Im off-base in that post, especially for your marriage, but the communication needs to happen.  The job search was a black hole in the history of my marriage, and I wish I would have been more communicative.  I would suggest that handling all household duties, though, might not be in the best interest of your marriage.  I find that doing dishes and laundry gives me a quick sense of accomplishment, but if you spend too much time doing household duties you might be unintentionally sabotaging your job search.  Make sure you communicate boundaries and expectations of household duties. Not really sure what to do next or were to turn. There is a lot of junk out there, isnt there?  It looks to me like you are getting help from great places. If I were to do it again today I would spend more time volunteering at job clubs and looking for networking meetings to go to, even if you have to travel a bit to get their. My pastor said that having and keeping HOPE means that your best days are ahead of you (I have to remind myself daily). I like that.  Have you read anything about how having a vision affects your thinking and chemicals? Its amazingly powerful.  I was hopeless in my job search, and when I finally got the idea for JibberJobber, I got hope back in my life.  Darkness turned to light, and I recognized a reason to live and move forward again.  I dont know what your JibberJobber idea will be, but when you find it, you will know.  Search for this diligently and obsessively.  The results of finding it are life-changing. Heres a post I wrote on hope in the job search: Finding Hope In The Job Search: The Lifeline. He also mentioned that new starts begin with new thinking. I know its hard to get to that thinking when you are depressed, but I hope some of the stuff I shared above will help you on that journey ? As I continue my search for what on earth to do next while attempting to keep it all together…I dearly appreciate this forum as well as any wisdom that can be shared. Thank you come back often and share your thoughts, as it will help many other people.  And, share these posts with everyone you can, including your pastor, who touches many lives. Thank you! My pleasure, thank you! Job Search Depression, Job Search and Your Marriage, Job Search and Religion… And Simple Discouragement in a Long-Term Job Search I had something completely different to write about, but Ill save that for Monday.  I just got a comment on a 2006 blog post titled I Smell Blood.  This is one of my all-time favorite blog posts (and is a Favorite Friday post).  I want to respond to the comment in this blog post, and will break it down so I can insert my own thoughts and links. Please leave your own comment if you have something to add, and please share this with your LinkedIn and Facebook networks.  There is a lot of pain and discouragement out there, and we need to be more helpful, patient, loving, and building. Im taking the liberty to offer my unsolicited response to Joeys comment because (1) the comment is now online for all to see, so its public, and (2) he said at the end that he appreciates any wisdom (not that Im wise, but Ill try), and (3) I think putting it in this post will help many, many other people.  Joeys comments are in the boxes, mine are after each box: Woke up ANGRY this morning about my situation I hear you Joey.  I didnt consider myself a very emotional person but I was angry, discouraged, sad, and all kinds of other feelings during my job search.  The lows were really low, the highs were really high, and it was a roller-coaster that didnt have much in-between.  Dont define yourself by the emotions you feel during the job search.  Its natural to feel these emotions, but if you allow them to define you, you will derail everything. and completed a google search containing job search AND depression and a related article came up, this really hit home. My first post on job search depression was titled Depression Clouds Everything.  This was a huge realization for me.  It needs to be discussed more. I thought I was alone in my loser-feelings during my job search, but going to job clubs and networking with other job seekers really helped me rise above the clouds and see I wasnt alone.  It also gave me a network of people I could talk to who I finally felt understood the issues and challenges I was dealing with (instead of the superficial articles on AOL and MSN).  Here are other posts I have written that mention depression So many times I have “helped” and continue to help others, volunteer, and try to give back and play it forward…however after 8+months no luck! Ah, the whole givers gain idea.  I networked (very poorly), and hoped and expected goodness to come out of it.  I got nothing except discouragement.  I encourage you to continue to help and give and volunteer, but completely do away with the what am I going to get from this hope.  When I voluntarily gave up hope that giving would help me get a job, I realized it was giving me something else.   Giving (volunteering, etc.) gave me stuff I wasnt looking for and didnt recognize while I was still hoping that all of that would lead me to a job.  I finally realized that by giving and helping I was getting peace in my heart. I was getting personal satisfaction by helping someone else out of a hellhole.  I thought of the families that were affected by helping people.  Sharing hope and helpful tactics made me feel important and appreciated, even if people didnt say thank you.  It was the one thing I could do to have purpose again, and it was refreshing to my soul. I started going back to church several months ago which has helped Thats good find it where you can.  Not having a day job is a great time to reflect on life and purpose and direction.  Take advantage of this time and immerse yourself in service at church, as this might help you expand your network. More importantly, if you find hope and faith and have a change of attitude (as per the I Smell Blood post that you commented on), people might think Joey is ready for an introduction to my friend.  As long as we are hurt, though, people are not going to be ready to open their network to us. and continued working out Again, take advantage of this time to take care of yourself, physically.  Too often when we have a day job we neglect our bodies.  Learn about your body and the food and exercise that helps you be sharper and ready for the day.  I get plenty of messages from people who land their dream job and find they dont have any time to workout.  More than that, I personally think working out is a huge boost to you because of what happens chemically when you work out.  For me it has been a survival tactic to just get through certain days. as jobs for someone with my experience is slim in and near my sleepy little town. Perhaps you need to something completely different.  If you want to stay in your field, can you find work remotely (and still live in your town)?  Or, is it time to leave the sleepy little town?  Word of caution, this is a HUGE decision, and the grass is certainly not greener anywhere else.  Even in bigger cities people are having a hard time finding meaningful employment.  Maybe its time to leave your field and do something else?  This is where a good employment counselor (not a coach) would come in handy.  This person should be able to help you figure out what you want to be when you grow up.   My book, 51 Alternatives to a Real Job, created so much interest because people are sick and tired of the new job, which is less fulfilling, less stable, less rewarding, and highly volatile.  Just maybe you are ready to look at a different way to pay your bills which might mean you take a major leap of faith and offer products or services, from your own business, and take 100% respo nsibility for success and failures.  Its scary, and there are a 100 reasons to not do it, but the alternative doesnt look so hot either. My marriage is also taking a toll even though I try to do as much as possible to handle all household duties. This is a very tough time for a marriage. I wrote this raw post: The Spouse’s Role In Your Job Search. You can print this out for your spouse with the idea that you need to have an open and frank discussion.  Maybe Im off-base in that post, especially for your marriage, but the communication needs to happen.  The job search was a black hole in the history of my marriage, and I wish I would have been more communicative.  I would suggest that handling all household duties, though, might not be in the best interest of your marriage.  I find that doing dishes and laundry gives me a quick sense of accomplishment, but if you spend too much time doing household duties you might be unintentionally sabotaging your job search.  Make sure you communicate boundaries and expectations of household duties. Not really sure what to do next or were to turn. There is a lot of junk out there, isnt there?  It looks to me like you are getting help from great places. If I were to do it again today I would spend more time volunteering at job clubs and looking for networking meetings to go to, even if you have to travel a bit to get their. My pastor said that having and keeping HOPE means that your best days are ahead of you (I have to remind myself daily). I like that.  Have you read anything about how having a vision affects your thinking and chemicals? Its amazingly powerful.  I was hopeless in my job search, and when I finally got the idea for JibberJobber, I got hope back in my life.  Darkness turned to light, and I recognized a reason to live and move forward again.  I dont know what your JibberJobber idea will be, but when you find it, you will know.  Search for this diligently and obsessively.  The results of finding it are life-changing. Heres a post I wrote on hope in the job search: Finding Hope In The Job Search: The Lifeline. He also mentioned that new starts begin with new thinking. I know its hard to get to that thinking when you are depressed, but I hope some of the stuff I shared above will help you on that journey ? As I continue my search for what on earth to do next while attempting to keep it all together…I dearly appreciate this forum as well as any wisdom that can be shared. Thank you come back often and share your thoughts, as it will help many other people.  And, share these posts with everyone you can, including your pastor, who touches many lives. Thank you! My pleasure, thank you! Job Search Depression, Job Search and Your Marriage, Job Search and Religion… And Simple Discouragement in a Long-Term Job Search I had something completely different to write about, but Ill save that for Monday.  I just got a comment on a 2006 blog post titled I Smell Blood.  This is one of my all-time favorite blog posts (and is a Favorite Friday post).  I want to respond to the comment in this blog post, and will break it down so I can insert my own thoughts and links. Please leave your own comment if you have something to add, and please share this with your LinkedIn and Facebook networks.  There is a lot of pain and discouragement out there, and we need to be more helpful, patient, loving, and building. Im taking the liberty to offer my unsolicited response to Joeys comment because (1) the comment is now online for all to see, so its public, and (2) he said at the end that he appreciates any wisdom (not that Im wise, but Ill try), and (3) I think putting it in this post will help many, many other people.  Joeys comments are in the boxes, mine are after each box: Woke up ANGRY this morning about my situation I hear you Joey.  I didnt consider myself a very emotional person but I was angry, discouraged, sad, and all kinds of other feelings during my job search.  The lows were really low, the highs were really high, and it was a roller-coaster that didnt have much in-between.  Dont define yourself by the emotions you feel during the job search.  Its natural to feel these emotions, but if you allow them to define you, you will derail everything. and completed a google search containing job search AND depression and a related article came up, this really hit home. My first post on job search depression was titled Depression Clouds Everything.  This was a huge realization for me.  It needs to be discussed more. I thought I was alone in my loser-feelings during my job search, but going to job clubs and networking with other job seekers really helped me rise above the clouds and see I wasnt alone.  It also gave me a network of people I could talk to who I finally felt understood the issues and challenges I was dealing with (instead of the superficial articles on AOL and MSN).  Here are other posts I have written that mention depression So many times I have “helped” and continue to help others, volunteer, and try to give back and play it forward…however after 8+months no luck! Ah, the whole givers gain idea.  I networked (very poorly), and hoped and expected goodness to come out of it.  I got nothing except discouragement.  I encourage you to continue to help and give and volunteer, but completely do away with the what am I going to get from this hope.  When I voluntarily gave up hope that giving would help me get a job, I realized it was giving me something else.   Giving (volunteering, etc.) gave me stuff I wasnt looking for and didnt recognize while I was still hoping that all of that would lead me to a job.  I finally realized that by giving and helping I was getting peace in my heart. I was getting personal satisfaction by helping someone else out of a hellhole.  I thought of the families that were affected by helping people.  Sharing hope and helpful tactics made me feel important and appreciated, even if people didnt say thank you.  It was the one thing I could do to have purpose again, and it was refreshing to my soul. I started going back to church several months ago which has helped Thats good find it where you can.  Not having a day job is a great time to reflect on life and purpose and direction.  Take advantage of this time and immerse yourself in service at church, as this might help you expand your network. More importantly, if you find hope and faith and have a change of attitude (as per the I Smell Blood post that you commented on), people might think Joey is ready for an introduction to my friend.  As long as we are hurt, though, people are not going to be ready to open their network to us. and continued working out Again, take advantage of this time to take care of yourself, physically.  Too often when we have a day job we neglect our bodies.  Learn about your body and the food and exercise that helps you be sharper and ready for the day.  I get plenty of messages from people who land their dream job and find they dont have any time to workout.  More than that, I personally think working out is a huge boost to you because of what happens chemically when you work out.  For me it has been a survival tactic to just get through certain days. as jobs for someone with my experience is slim in and near my sleepy little town. Perhaps you need to something completely different.  If you want to stay in your field, can you find work remotely (and still live in your town)?  Or, is it time to leave the sleepy little town?  Word of caution, this is a HUGE decision, and the grass is certainly not greener anywhere else.  Even in bigger cities people are having a hard time finding meaningful employment.  Maybe its time to leave your field and do something else?  This is where a good employment counselor (not a coach) would come in handy.  This person should be able to help you figure out what you want to be when you grow up.   My book, 51 Alternatives to a Real Job, created so much interest because people are sick and tired of the new job, which is less fulfilling, less stable, less rewarding, and highly volatile.  Just maybe you are ready to look at a different way to pay your bills which might mean you take a major leap of faith and offer products or services, from your own business, and take 100% respo nsibility for success and failures.  Its scary, and there are a 100 reasons to not do it, but the alternative doesnt look so hot either. My marriage is also taking a toll even though I try to do as much as possible to handle all household duties. This is a very tough time for a marriage. I wrote this raw post: The Spouse’s Role In Your Job Search. You can print this out for your spouse with the idea that you need to have an open and frank discussion.  Maybe Im off-base in that post, especially for your marriage, but the communication needs to happen.  The job search was a black hole in the history of my marriage, and I wish I would have been more communicative.  I would suggest that handling all household duties, though, might not be in the best interest of your marriage.  I find that doing dishes and laundry gives me a quick sense of accomplishment, but if you spend too much time doing household duties you might be unintentionally sabotaging your job search.  Make sure you communicate boundaries and expectations of household duties. Not really sure what to do next or were to turn. There is a lot of junk out there, isnt there?  It looks to me like you are getting help from great places. If I were to do it again today I would spend more time volunteering at job clubs and looking for networking meetings to go to, even if you have to travel a bit to get their. My pastor said that having and keeping HOPE means that your best days are ahead of you (I have to remind myself daily). I like that.  Have you read anything about how having a vision affects your thinking and chemicals? Its amazingly powerful.  I was hopeless in my job search, and when I finally got the idea for JibberJobber, I got hope back in my life.  Darkness turned to light, and I recognized a reason to live and move forward again.  I dont know what your JibberJobber idea will be, but when you find it, you will know.  Search for this diligently and obsessively.  The results of finding it are life-changing. Heres a post I wrote on hope in the job search: Finding Hope In The Job Search: The Lifeline. He also mentioned that new starts begin with new thinking. I know its hard to get to that thinking when you are depressed, but I hope some of the stuff I shared above will help you on that journey ? As I continue my search for what on earth to do next while attempting to keep it all together…I dearly appreciate this forum as well as any wisdom that can be shared. Thank you come back often and share your thoughts, as it will help many other people.  And, share these posts with everyone you can, including your pastor, who touches many lives. Thank you! My pleasure, thank you!